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THE EXPENDITURE OF THE 1893 LOAN. The COLONIAL SECRETARY laid on the table a return showing the expenditure of the 1893 loan, which had been asked for by the Hon. T. H. Whitehead.

The return was as follows:-

Loan works from 1892 to 30th September, 1899. Praya Reclamation $376,134.40, Praya Reclamation, Reconstruction of Piers $80,010, Central Market $222,729.59, Slaughter-Houses, Pig and Sheep Depôts $96,213.04, Cattle Depots Drainage Works $318,049.61, Waterworks $752,897.92, Goal Extension $159,361.65. Total, $1,702,868.21. Balance on 30th September $89,363.73.

THE PLANS OF THE NEW LAW COURTS. The DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS-With Your Excellency's permission I beg to lay on the table the plans of the proposed New Law Courts. The architects require some further information before completing certain architectural details, which information will be forwarded in due course. The general arrangement of the courts was approved by the Chief Justice and the other officials concerned some time ago. The original sketches were at Your Excellency's suggestion submitted; alterations and improvements were suggested by the officials who have to occupy the buildings, and these have all been attended to in a satisfactory manner by the architect. The ground plan has been approved, and consequently there is no reason why there should be any delay in proceeding with the foundations, which I think can be commenced early in the coming year.

THE MERCHANT SHIPPING BILL. The COLONIAL SECRETARY-In the absence of the Acting Attorney-General I beg to lay on the table the report of the Standing Law Committee on the Merchant Shipping Bill. An examination of this report will show that many amendments have been suggested by the committee. Those amendments will be formally moved by the Acting Attorney-General when the Bill is brought forward before the Council. In the meantime it was thought advisable to let honourable members have some time to consider these amendments.

FIRST READINGS.

The following Bills were read a first time:- A Bill entitled an Ordinance to amend and consolidate the law relating to the carriage and possession of arms and ammunition. The New Territories Land Court Ordinance, 1899.

THE INSANITARY PROPERTIES BILL PASSED. On the motion of the COLONIAL SECRETARY, seconded by the COLONIAL TREASURER, the Bill entitled an Ordinance to make further provision for the sanitation of the colony and to repeal certain amendments of the Closed Houses and Insanitary Dwellings Ordinance, 1894, was read a third time and passed.

THE ESTIMATES.

The Council went into committee on the Bill entitled an Ordinance to apply a sum not exceeding two million six hundred and eighty-one thousand fifty-one dollars to the Public Service for the year 1900. The various items were read over by the Acting Clerk of Councils.

His EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR-We will take the items seriatim if any honourable members wish to make any observation with regard to any of them. Do not take one item and then go back to another. Is there any on the first page?

The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-With regard to "Public Works Extraordinary" I beg to move that the vote in the 1900 Estimates for "Public Works Extraordinary" be referred back to the Departments concerned for reconsideration and to be remodelled. When in Finance Committee yesterday I moved a like resolution but found no support. I now feel it my duty to invite the opinion of Your Excellency and of this Council on the questions I desire to raise. In spite of the explanations tendered yesterday, the Treasurer's "Financial Statement" in their amended form which accompanied the Draft Estimates are to me still unintelligible. There cannot be two different balances of assets over liabilities on 31st December, 1898. The final settlement of the Appropriation Bill should be postponed until these accounts are cleared up. I submit that the money proposed to be voted is not properly applied, as there are many very urgent and most important public works omitted which demand immediate attention and should be provided for. The actual assets available at the end of 1900 for "Public Works Extraordinary" is the estimated surplus on 31st proximo, say $100,000, plus the estimated surplus revenue over the ordinary expenditure during next year, say $138,000, or an aggregate of $238,000. According to the Estimates, there is only to be expended during 1900 the sum of $331,100 on Public Works Extraordinary. I think the Government would have been fully justified in asking the Council to sanction the expenditure of say $500,000 or even $600,000. The public works are, in order of their importance and urgency, latrines, shelter for chair-coolies at the Peak, the speedy extension of our means of obtaining, storing, and distributing water, a Post Office, &c. The latrines should be put in hand and finished before the end of next year. I earnestly urge that a vote be taken for the full amount requisite to complete them during 1900.

In reply to a question in connection with jerry buildings put to the honourable Director of Public Works on the 4th of October last, the honourable member said: "I have read the articles referred to and think there is foundation for the allegations. The powers possessed by my department are defined in the Ordinances 15 of 1889 and 25 of 1891. An officer of the Department, assisted by an overseer, inspects building works in progress. The exceptional amount of such work in the Colony at present makes an increase in the staff necessary if this work of supervision is to be thoroughly performed. The matter is engaging the attention of the Government."

HIS EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR (interrupting)-I am afraid the honourable member is not in order. At the present moment there is no proposal as to the increase of the staff in question before the Council, and I do not think any member of the Council would be in order in proposing an increase in that staff or in the vote referring to it.

The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-I do not propose an increase.

HIS EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR-Did you not propose an increase in the staff?

The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-No.

HIS EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR-I beg your pardon. What is your proposal then?

The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-My amendment is that this vote on "Public Works Extraordinary" be referred back to the departments concerned for reconsideration and to be remodelled.

His EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR-The committee accepted this Bill yesterday and I question whether without the permission of the Council you can propose now that it be referred back to the committee. You can propose that any vote be deleted or reduced.

The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-I proposed that it be referred to the departments concerned.

His EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR held that this would not be in order, adding that if any honourable member had any concrete proposition to make or a proposal to reduce the vote before the Council it was in order to propose that reduction.

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THE EXPENDITURE OF THE 1893 LOAN. The COLONIAL SECRETARY laid on the table a return showing the expenditure of the 1893 loan, which had been asked for by the Hon. T. H. Whitehead. The return was as follows:- Loan works from 1892 to 30th September, 1899. Praya Reclamation $376,134.40, Praya Reclamation, Reconstruction of Piers $80,010, Central Market $222,729.59, Slaughter-Houses, Pig and Sheep Depôts $96,213.04, Cattle Depots Drainage Works $318,049.61, Waterworks $752,897.92, Goal Extension $159,361.65. Total, $1,702,868.21. Balance on 30th September $89,363.73. THE PLANS OF THE NEW LAW COURTS. The DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS-With Your Excellency's permission I beg to lay on the table the plans of the proposed New Law Courts. The architects require some further information before completing certain architectural details, which information will be forwarded in due course. The general arrangement of the courts was approved by the Chief Justice and the other officials concerned some time ago. The original sketches were at Your Excellency's suggestion submitted; alterations and improvements were suggested by the officials who have to occupy the buildings, and these have all been attended to in a satisfactory manner by the architect. The ground plan has been approved, and consequently there is no reason why there should be any delay in proceeding with the foundations, which I think can be commenced early in the coming year. THE MERCHANT SHIPPING BILL. The COLONIAL SECRETARY-In the absence of the Acting Attorney-General I beg to lay on the table the report of the Standing Law Committee on the Merchant Shipping Bill. An examination of this report will show that many amendments have been suggested by the committee. Those amendments will be formally moved by the Acting Attorney-General when the Bill is brought forward before the Council. In the meantime it was thought advisable to let honourable members have some time to consider these amendments. FIRST READINGS. The following Bills were read a first time:- A Bill entitled an Ordinance to amend and consolidate the law relating to the carriage and possession of arms and ammunition. The New Territories Land Court Ordinance, 1899. THE INSANITARY PROPERTIES BILL PASSED. On the motion of the COLONIAL SECRETARY, seconded by the COLONIAL TREASURER, the Bill entitled an Ordinance to make further provision for the sanitation of the colony and to repeal certain amendments of the Closed Houses and Insanitary Dwellings Ordinance, 1894, was read a third time and passed. THE ESTIMATES. The Council went into committee on the Bill entitled an Ordinance to apply a sum not exceeding two million six hundred and eighty-one thousand fifty-one dollars to the Public Service for the year 1900. The various items were read over by the Acting Clerk of Councils. His EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR-We will take the items seriatim if any honourable members wish to make any observation with regard to any of them. Do not take one item and then go back to another. Is there any on the first page? The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-With regard to "Public Works Extraordinary" I beg to move that the vote in the 1900 Estimates for "Public Works Extraordinary" be referred back to the Departments concerned for reconsideration and to be remodelled. When in Finance Committee yesterday I moved a like resolution but found no support. I now feel it my duty to invite the opinion of Your Excellency and of this Council on the questions I desire to raise. In spite of the explanations tendered yesterday, the Treasurer's "Financial Statement" in their amended form which accompanied the Draft Estimates are to me still unintelligible. There cannot be two different balances of assets over liabilities on 31st December, 1898. The final settlement of the Appropriation Bill should be postponed until these accounts are cleared up. I submit that the money proposed to be voted is not properly applied, as there are many very urgent and most important public works omitted which demand immediate attention and should be provided for. The actual assets available at the end of 1900 for "Public Works Extraordinary" is the estimated surplus on 31st proximo, say $100,000, plus the estimated surplus revenue over the ordinary expenditure during next year, say $138,000, or an aggregate of $238,000. According to the Estimates, there is only to be expended during 1900 the sum of $331,100 on Public Works Extraordinary. I think the Government would have been fully justified in asking the Council to sanction the expenditure of say $500,000 or even $600,000. The public works are, in order of their importance and urgency, latrines, shelter for chair-coolies at the Peak, the speedy extension of our means of obtaining, storing, and distributing water, a Post Office, &c. The latrines should be put in hand and finished before the end of next year. I earnestly urge that a vote be taken for the full amount requisite to complete them during 1900. In reply to a question in connection with jerry buildings put to the honourable Director of Public Works on the 4th of October last, the honourable member said: "I have read the articles referred to and think there is foundation for the allegations. The powers possessed by my department are defined in the Ordinances 15 of 1889 and 25 of 1891. An officer of the Department, assisted by an overseer, inspects building works in progress. The exceptional amount of such work in the Colony at present makes an increase in the staff necessary if this work of supervision is to be thoroughly performed. The matter is engaging the attention of the Government." HIS EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR (interrupting)-I am afraid the honourable member is not in order. At the present moment there is no proposal as to the increase of the staff in question before the Council, and I do not think any member of the Council would be in order in proposing an increase in that staff or in the vote referring to it. The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-I do not propose an increase. HIS EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR-Did you not propose an increase in the staff? The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-No. HIS EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR-I beg your pardon. What is your proposal then? The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-My amendment is that this vote on "Public Works Extraordinary" be referred back to the departments concerned for reconsideration and to be remodelled. His EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR-The committee accepted this Bill yesterday and I question whether without the permission of the Council you can propose now that it be referred back to the committee. You can propose that any vote be deleted or reduced. The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-I proposed that it be referred to the departments concerned. His EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR held that this would not be in order, adding that if any honourable member had any concrete proposition to make or a proposal to reduce the vote before the Council it was in order to propose that reduction.

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€ THE EXPENDITURE OF TH■ 1803 LOAN. The COLONIAL SECRETARY laid on the table * return showing the expenditure of the 1893 loan, which had been asked for by the Hou, T. H. Whitehead. The return was as follows:- Loan works from 1892 to 30th September, 1899. Praya Reclamation $376,134.40, Praya Reclamation, Reconstruction of Piers 880,0 10, Central Market $222,729.59, Blaughter-Houses. Pig and Sheep Depôts $96,213.04, Cattle Depots Drainage Works 3:8,049,61, Water and $752,897.92, Gnol Extension $159,361.65. Total, $1,702,868.21. Balance on 30th September $89,363,73. THE PLANS OF THE NEW LAW COURTS. The DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORK-With Your Excellency's permission I beg to lay on the table the plans of the proposed New Law Courts. The architects require some further information before completing certain architec. tural details, which information will be for- warded in due course. The general arrange. ment of the courts was approved by the Chief Justice and the other officials concerned some time ago. The original sketches were at your Certain Excellency's suggestion submitted. alterations and improvements were suggested by the officials who have to occupy the buildings, and these have all been attended to I think in t Batisfactory manner by the architect. The ground plan has been approved, and consequently there is no reason why there should be any delay in proceeding with the foundations, which I think can be commenced early in the coming year. THE MERCHANT SHIPPING BILL, The COLONIAL SECRETARY-In the absence of the Acting Attorney-General I beg to lay on the table the report of the Standing Law Com- mittee on the Merchant Shipping Bill. An GI- amination of this report will show that many amendments have been suggested by the commit- tee. Those amendments will be formally moved by the Acting Attorney-General when the Bill is brought forward before the Council. In the meantime it was thought advisable to let hon- ourable members have some time to conside these amendments. FIRST READINGS. The following Bills were read a first time:1 A Bill entitled an Ordinance to amend and consolidate the law relating to the carriage and A Bill possession of arms and ammunition. entitled The New Territories Land Court Or- dinance, 1899. THE INSANITARY PROPERTIES MILL PASSED. On the motion of the COLONIAL SECRETARY, seconded by the COLONIAL. TREASURER, the Bill entitled an Ordinansa to make further pro- vision for the sanitation of the solony and to repeal certain anantments of the Closed HonsEK and Insanitary Dwellings Ordinance, 1894, was read a third time and passed. THE ESTIMATES, The Council went into sommities on the Bill entitled an Ordinanse to apply a sum not ex- ceeding two million siz hundred and eighty. one thousand fifty-one dollars to the Public Service .. year 1900. The various were read over by the Acting Clerk of Councils. 1. His EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR-We will take the items seriatim if any honourable mem- bers wish to make any observation with regard to any of them. Do not take one item and then re back to another. Is there any on the first page ? The Hen. T. H. WHITSHMAD-With re- gard to "Public Works Extraordinary" I beg to move that the vote in the 1900 Estim ates for Public Works Extraordinary" be referred back to the Departments concerned for reconsideration and to be remodelled. When in Finance C.0. 35917 260EC 70 Ao- Finance Committee yesterday I moved a like revolution but found on support. I now feel it my duty to invite the opinion of Your Excol- loney and of this Council on the questions I desire to raise. In spite of the explanations tendered yesterday, the Treasurer's "Financial Bestras in their amended form which scoom- panied the Draft Estimates are to me still unintelligible. There cannot be two different balances of assets over liabilities on 31st.Decem- ber, 1898. The final settlement of the Appro- ' priation Bill should be postponed until these accounts are cleared up. I submit that the money proposed to be voted is not properly ap- plied, as there are many very urgent and most important public works omitted which demand immediate attention and should be provided for. The actual assets available at the end of 1900 ForPublic Works Extraordinary "is the estimated surplus on 31st proximo, saý $100,000, plus the estimated surplus revenue over the ordinary expenditure during next year, say $138.000, or an aggregate of $836,000. cording to the Estimates, there is only to be expended during 1900 the sum of $331,100 os Public Works Extraordinary. I think the Government would have been fully justifled in asking the Council to sanction the ex- penditure of say $500,000 or sten $600,000, The public works are, in order of their importance and urgency, latrines, shelter for chair-colis at the Ponk, the speedy extension of our means of obtaining, storing, and distributing water, a Post Office, &o. The latrines should be put in hand and finished be- before the end of next year. I earnestly urge that a vote be taken for the full amount re- quisite to complete them during 1900. In reply to a question in connection with jerry buildings put to the honourable Director of Public Works on the 4th of October last, the honourable member said: "I have read the articles referred to and think there is founda- tion for the allegations. The powers possessed by my department are defined in the Ordinances 15 of 1889 and 25 of 1991. Au officer of the Department, assisted by an overseer, inspeets building works in progress. The exceptional amount of such work in the Colony at present makes an increase in the staff necessary if this work of supervision is to be thoroughly perform- ed. The matter is engaging the attention of the Government." HIS EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR (inter- rupting)-I am afraid the honourable member is not in order. At the present moment there is no proposal as to the increase of the staff in question before the Council, and I do not think sany member of the Council would be in order in proposing an increase in that staff or in the vote referring to it. The Hon. I. H. WHITEREAD-I do not pro- pose an increase. HIS EXCELLENCT the GOVERNOR--Did you not propose an increase in the staff ? I beg The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-No. HIS EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR your pardon. What is your proposal then ? The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-My amend- ment is that this vote on "Public Works Extraordinary" be referred back to the depart- ments concerned for reconsideration and to be remodelled. His EXCELLENCE the GOVERNOR-The committee accepted this Bill yesterday and I question whether without the permission of the Council you can propose now that it be referred back to the committee. You can propose that any vote.be deleted or reduced. The Hon. T. F WHITEHEAD-I proposed that it be referek to the departments con *cerned. His EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR held that this would not be in order, adding that if any honourable member had any conorete proposi tion to make or a proposal to reduce the roto before the Council it was in order to propose that reduction. The Hon. D 393 !

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THE EXPENDITURE OF TH■ 1803 LOAN. The COLONIAL SECRETARY laid on the table * return showing the expenditure of the 1893 loan, which had been asked for by the Hou, T. H. Whitehead.

The return was as follows:-

Loan works from 1892 to 30th September, 1899. Praya Reclamation $376,134.40, Praya Reclamation, Reconstruction of Piers 880,0 10, Central Market $222,729.59, Blaughter-Houses. Pig and Sheep Depôts $96,213.04, Cattle Depots Drainage Works 3:8,049,61, Water and $752,897.92, Gnol Extension $159,361.65. Total, $1,702,868.21. Balance on 30th September $89,363,73.

THE PLANS OF THE NEW LAW COURTS. The DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORK-With Your Excellency's permission I beg to lay on the table the plans of the proposed New Law Courts. The architects require some further information before completing certain architec. tural details, which information will be for- warded in due course. The general arrange. ment of the courts was approved by the Chief Justice and the other officials concerned some time ago. The original sketches were at your Certain Excellency's suggestion submitted. alterations and improvements were suggested by the officials who have to occupy the buildings, and these have all been attended to I think in t Batisfactory manner by the architect. The ground plan has been approved, and consequently there is no reason why there should be any delay in proceeding with the foundations, which I think can be commenced early in the coming

year.

THE MERCHANT SHIPPING BILL, The COLONIAL SECRETARY-In the absence of the Acting Attorney-General I beg to lay on the table the report of the Standing Law Com- mittee on the Merchant Shipping Bill. An GI- amination of this report will show that many amendments have been suggested by the commit- tee. Those amendments will be formally moved by the Acting Attorney-General when the Bill is brought forward before the Council. In the meantime it was thought advisable to let hon- ourable members have some time to conside these amendments.

FIRST READINGS.

The following Bills were read a first time:1 A Bill entitled an Ordinance to amend and consolidate the law relating to the carriage and A Bill possession of arms and ammunition. entitled The New Territories Land Court Or- dinance, 1899.

THE INSANITARY PROPERTIES MILL PASSED. On the motion of the COLONIAL SECRETARY, seconded by the COLONIAL. TREASURER, the Bill entitled an Ordinansa to make further pro- vision for the sanitation of the solony and to repeal certain anantments of the Closed HonsEK and Insanitary Dwellings Ordinance, 1894, was read a third time and passed.

THE ESTIMATES,

The Council went into sommities on the Bill entitled an Ordinanse to apply a sum not ex- ceeding two million siz hundred and eighty. one thousand fifty-one dollars to the Public Service ..

year 1900. The various were read over by the Acting Clerk of Councils.

His EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR-We will take the items seriatim if any honourable mem- bers wish to make any observation with regard to any of them. Do not take one item and then re back to another. Is there any on the first page ?

The Hen. T. H. WHITSHMAD-With re- gard to "Public Works Extraordinary" I beg to move that the vote in the 1900 Estim ates for Public Works Extraordinary" be referred back to the Departments concerned for reconsideration and to be remodelled. When in

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Finance Committee yesterday I moved a like revolution but found on support. I now feel it my duty to invite the opinion of Your Excol- loney and of this Council on the questions I desire to raise. In spite of the explanations tendered yesterday, the Treasurer's "Financial Bestras in their amended form which scoom- panied the Draft Estimates are to me still unintelligible. There cannot be two different balances of assets over liabilities on 31st.Decem- ber, 1898. The final settlement of the Appro- ' priation Bill should be postponed until these accounts are cleared up. I submit that the money proposed to be voted is not properly ap- plied, as there are many very urgent and most important public works omitted which demand immediate attention and should be provided for. The actual assets available at the end of 1900 ForPublic Works Extraordinary "is the estimated surplus on 31st proximo, saý $100,000, plus the estimated surplus revenue over the ordinary expenditure during next year, say $138.000, or an aggregate of $836,000. cording to the Estimates, there is only to be expended during 1900 the sum of $331,100 os Public Works Extraordinary. I think the Government would have been fully justifled in asking the Council to sanction the ex- penditure of say $500,000 or sten $600,000, The public works are, in order of their importance and urgency, latrines, shelter for chair-colis at the Ponk, the speedy extension of our means of obtaining, storing, and distributing water, a Post Office, &o. The latrines should be put in hand and finished be- before the end of next year. I earnestly urge that a vote be taken for the full amount re- quisite to complete them during 1900. In reply to a question in connection with jerry buildings put to the honourable Director of Public Works on the 4th of October last, the honourable member said: "I have read the articles referred to and think there is founda- tion for the allegations. The powers possessed by my department are defined in the Ordinances 15 of 1889 and 25 of 1991. Au officer of the Department, assisted by an overseer, inspeets building works in progress. The exceptional amount of such work in the Colony at present makes an increase in the staff necessary if this work of supervision is to be thoroughly perform- ed. The matter is engaging the attention of the Government."

HIS EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR (inter- rupting)-I am afraid the honourable member is not in order. At the present moment there is no proposal as to the increase of the staff in question before the Council, and I do not think sany member of the Council would be in order in proposing an increase in that staff or in the vote referring to it.

The Hon. I. H. WHITEREAD-I do not pro- pose an increase.

HIS EXCELLENCT the GOVERNOR--Did you

not propose an increase in the staff ?

I beg

The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-No. HIS EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR your pardon. What is your proposal then ?

The Hon. T. H. WHITEHEAD-My amend- ment is that this vote on "Public Works Extraordinary" be referred back to the depart- ments concerned for reconsideration and to be remodelled.

His EXCELLENCE the GOVERNOR-The committee accepted this Bill yesterday and I question whether without the permission of the Council you can propose now that it be referred back to the committee. You can propose that any vote.be deleted or reduced.

The Hon. T. F WHITEHEAD-I proposed that it be referek to the departments con *cerned.

His EXCELLENCY the GOVERNOR held that this would not be in order, adding that if any honourable member had any conorete proposi tion to make or a proposal to reduce the roto before the Council it was in order to propose that reduction.

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